Keep Oppo '90s Punk

"Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow" (chriskf) 11/14/2015 at 08:20 • Filed to: None

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Anyone else get nostalgic about being a little skater punk?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 11/14/2015 at 08:48

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I had fun skating and raising hell in the 90s, but the punk rock elitist in me still maintains tht punk died at the end of 1979 and was as much a movement as a musical style. Punk ripped it all up and started over again. Punky style afterwards is an immitation and not a product of its environment in the same way.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 11/14/2015 at 09:21

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I wholeheartedly disagree with your sentiment. For evidence I would like to present the entire catalog of Bad Religion, the Descendents, NoFX, Anti-Flag, Rollins-era Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, anything Joe Strummer was involved with from 1980-onward, Rancid, Dropkick Murphys, Stiff Little Fingers, Minor Threat, Seven Seconds, anything that Keith Morris did, and pretty much every other band since 1980 that used fast, loud, 3-chord Rock and roll to make their statement and try to make a better world.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 11/14/2015 at 09:37

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They continued the sentiment and style, but the change had already been made. Many of them were making good music past 1979, but many of them (Black Flag, DK, Descendents, Joe Strummer [though none of his post-Sandinista! albums are punk], Stiff Little Fingers) had been making music during the initial wave anyway so get kind of grandfathered in even though their first recordings may have come out later. Minor Threat, while sounding punk really were really more proto-indie and setting the stage for the American indie alternative scene with their ethos. Rancid, Dropkick Murphys, Anti-Flag, NOFX, etc are just copying an aesthetic in my opinion. It just doesn’t feel honest. Punk itself was ways more than a look and sound. I mean, I had plenty of fun listening to that before the internet opened up the world, but I wouldn’t say that any of it was punk now. Punk is dead just like Motown, grunge, film-noir, and dada.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 11/14/2015 at 09:58

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The statement, “it doesn’t feel honest,” sounds like the same kind of pedantry I heard from people who called any band with commercial success “sellouts.”

The “moment” you talk about pre-1979 were purely stylistic anyway. The bands most people associate with 70s punk - the Ramones and Sex Pistols - were anything but “punk.”

The Ramones were establishment conservatives who thought Nixon got a raw deal and sang about girls and high school. The Sex Pistols were the product of a rich Brit recognizing he could make money by getting the kids who hung around his store to shout “anarchy!”

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 11/14/2015 at 10:01

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You’re assuming that I’m a fan of The Ramones and Sex Pistols. It was stylistic, but in response to the musical excess of the mid 70s. It killed disco and prog rock in the same way that grunge killed Phil Collins and hair metal. If someone makes a Nirvana knockoff band now, it’s not grunge in the same way that a 90s pop-punk band is not really punk.